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The US National Archives in Washington contain about 1,100,000 wartime aerial photos, among them some 600 of Kiev, including Babi Yar. They were taken during 20 or more flights over the area. The first photos, taken at 12:23 pm on May 17, 1939, reveal such details as cars and even the shadows of the lamp posts on the streets of Kiev. Every large bush and small tree is visible on the slopes and at the bottom of the Babi Yar ravine. The last aerial photo coverage of Kiev (and Babi Yar) took place on June 18, 1944, about nine months after the city's "liberation" by the Red Army. This series of reconnaissance photos demonstrates that the flora and the ground cover of the ravine remained undisturbed throughout the two years of German occupation. When the early and late photos are compared, it is obvious that the scattered trees grew and became slightly larger. No evidence of human or large animal activity in the ravine can be discerned on the many aerial photos of Babi Yar taken repeatedly in different seasons of the years 1939-1944. In November of 1943, a group of Western journalists, including New York Times correspondent William "Bill" Lawrence, himself Jewish, were invited to Kiev by the Soviets. This occurred two weeks after the city's fall to the Red Army. The reporters were told that this was only six weeks after the Germans had completed the dynamiting, disinterment and open-air cremation of 70,000 corpses, followed by the crushing and bulldozing of the unburned bones into the soil of the ravine. But the Western journalists were hard pressed to find any convincing physical evidence at the site of the alleged massacre. The lack of reliable physical evidence of this "greatest massacre of World War II" - and the inability to find a single inhabitant of Kiev willing to corroborate the story - impelled the NKVD to provide the Westerners with three "eyewitnesses." Even though a Times editor censored out the most egregious exaggerations (about Soviet partisans and German "gassing vans"), the disjointed story by these three liberated Soviet POW's became the template for imitation for all subsequent Babi Yar testimonies. -What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth. By Michael Nikiforuk. "The Barnes Review" Volume ІІ Number 7 July 1996

I realize this is sort of a gross/revolting topic - but unfortunately, it must be addressed. There have been GROUND PENETRATING RADAR studies of the region as well that revealed nothing. You can't - in ONE DAY - hastily dispose of the remains of 70 THOUSAND humans without

For the record, I believe the testimony of people like Paul BLOBEL was basically TRUE/HONEST. The Einsatzgruppen DID whack a massive number of human beings - MANY many of them non-combatants (categorically). In a Rassenrkrieg, there ARE NO ''civilians'' - this is how the

Einsatzgruppen commanders, I find this HIGHLY relevant, were: 1) VOLUNTEERS 2) Almost exclusively NON MILITARY, NON POLICE professionals. Lawyers, at least ONE Lutheran Pastor, academic types etc. You can't have military careerist types doing this kind of thing - NOR can you

IOW, contra HOLLYWOOD shit, guys who were racial bigots, guys who had a proverbial hard on for KILLING people, felonious nutcases, guys who had an unseemly passion for inflicting violence were EXCLUDED from Einsatzkommando type of stuff. This is the internal logic of TOTAL WAR.

THIS is when Americans became LIARS - at COMMAND level I mean. You DO NOT order some kid like Lt Calley and your regular ARMY to DO things like that. Only a total piece of shit would do that. The German Army would have NEVER done that. Its understood that the men who wear the

The US National Archives in Washington contain about 1,100,000 wartime aerial photos, among them some 600 of Kiev, including Babi Yar. They were taken during 20 or more flights over the area. The first photos, taken at 12:23 pm on May 17, 1939, reveal such details as cars and even the shadows of the lamp posts on the streets of Kiev. Every large bush and small tree is visible on the slopes and at the bottom of the Babi Yar ravine. The last aerial photo coverage of Kiev (and Babi Yar) took place on June 18, 1944, about nine months after the city's "liberation" by the Red Army. This series of reconnaissance photos demonstrates that the flora and the ground cover of the ravine remained undisturbed throughout the two years of German occupation. When the early and late photos are compared, it is obvious that the scattered trees grew and became slightly larger. No evidence of human or large animal activity in the ravine can be discerned on the many aerial photos of Babi Yar taken repeatedly in different seasons of the years 1939-1944. In November of 1943, a group of Western journalists, including New York Times correspondent William "Bill" Lawrence, himself Jewish, were invited to Kiev by the Soviets. This occurred two weeks after the city's fall to the Red Army. The reporters were told that this was only six weeks after the Germans had completed the dynamiting, disinterment and open-air cremation of 70,000 corpses, followed by the crushing and bulldozing of the unburned bones into the soil of the ravine. But the Western journalists were hard pressed to find any convincing physical evidence at the site of the alleged massacre. The lack of reliable physical evidence of this "greatest massacre of World War II" - and the inability to find a single inhabitant of Kiev willing to corroborate the story - impelled the NKVD to provide the Westerners with three "eyewitnesses." Even though a Times editor censored out the most egregious exaggerations (about Soviet partisans and German "gassing vans"), the disjointed story by these three liberated Soviet POW's became the template for imitation for all subsequent Babi Yar testimonies. -What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth. By Michael Nikiforuk. "The Barnes Review" Volume ІІ Number 7 July 1996I realize this is sort of a gross/revolting topic - but unfortunately, it must be addressed. There have been GROUND PENETRATING RADAR studies of the region as well that revealed nothing. You can't - in ONE DAY - hastily dispose of the remains of 70 THOUSAND humans withoutFor the record, I believe the testimony of people like Paul BLOBEL was basically TRUE/HONEST. The Einsatzgruppen DID whack a massive number of human beings - MANY many of them non-combatants (categorically). In a Rassenrkrieg, there ARE NO ''civilians'' - this is how theEinsatzgruppen commanders, I find this HIGHLY relevant, were: 1) VOLUNTEERS 2) Almost exclusively NON MILITARY, NON POLICE professionals. Lawyers, at least ONE Lutheran Pastor, academic types etc. You can't have military careerist types doing this kind of thing - NOR can youIOW, contra HOLLYWOOD shit, guys who were racial bigots, guys who had a proverbial hard on for KILLING people, felonious nutcases, guys who had an unseemly passion for inflicting violence were EXCLUDED from Einsatzkommando type of stuff. This is the internal logic of TOTAL WAR.THIS is when Americans became LIARS - at COMMAND level I mean. You DO NOT order some kid like Lt Calley and your regular ARMY to DO things like that. Only a total piece of shit would do that. The German Army would have NEVER done that. Its understood that the men who wear the

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